"tea is just leaf water!" "yeah well coffee is just bean water!" wow, it’s. it’s like everything is made of things. this door is just wood rectangle. this poster is just ink paper. this lemonade is just lemon water. wow, it’s like you can combine ingredients to make things that are more enjoyable than the initial parts of the equation. sure is a magical world we live in
"omg i hate small talk its so fake!!" like damn u must be so fucking annoying. its called being nice. if i was at a party and i was like "how r your classes going" and you were like "ugh lets skip that i KNOW u dont really CARE about my classes and i dont care about YOURS" i would log out of there so fucking fast
how u log out of a party i think im too old for this post
Because they were always heroes, even before they officially became them.
#ok but no#no no no no#that is literally tony being a villain#like#absolutely 100% supervillain territory#that is a giant ass bomb that he built and then didn’t care who got it#he was NOT a hero first#that’s the whole point of him#that’s what he brings to the shitfest that is the avengers team#some of them ARE heroes who needed a little something extra to prove it to everyone else#steve right#i basically mean steve#but thor was a genocidal playboy#tony was a supervillain#and bruce had the most dangerous bad practices with science of a tropey mad scientist ever#no they were not good men#steve was always a great man#sam is always a great man#but these other guys are proof that owning your mistakes is the best way to be a better man#THAT’s the POINT
as a fan, you are not entitled to literally anything from a show, its writers, or its cast and until you stop thinking that way, you will be nothing but disappointed. the cast and all the people who bring a show about love their fans, they are grateful for their fans, they take the time to go to conventions so their fans can meet them and ask them their questions. but they do not owe you anything. they don’t have to bend over backwards to make every single one of you happy. you do not write their contracts, you do not write their scripts. stop acting like you save an actor’s dog from getting hit by a train every time you sit down and watch an episode. you’re not entitled to anything. so maybe the next time you think to make a post about how much a show “needs you” and how much you “deserve” to be shown gratitude for being a fan (more than a cast already shows, it seems), you should sit down, eat a little pasta, and re-evaluate how you see the world in comparison to yourself, because, newsflash, it does not revolve around you.
something filled up my heart with nothing, someone told me not to cry
children, wake up, hold your mistake up before they turn the summer into dust
six dumb kids playing hero.
1. Tony Stark has no verbal filter. Zero. Zip. Zilch. None. Whatever dumb thing you have written, that is a thing Tony Stark would probably say. Write it again! Write it three times in a row, each time more spectacularly inappropriate! Have all the other characters look unimpressed! LOOK SUDDENLY DIALOGUE IS EASY.
2. Tony Stark makes jokes. You can laugh at them while you’re writing them. This makes writing much less stressful than usual.
3. Tony Stark says the asshole thing that cuts through the tension thus saving you from having to think of an actual end to the scene. Thank you, Tony Stark!
4. Actual things Tony Stark does apart from talk: tinker with shit, get rescued by Pepper. Both of these things are delightful!
5. in a cave with a box of scraps
This is interesting to me as a writer because it seems the things that make Tony a breeze to write are the exact things I’ve found make him difficult to read.
With utmost respect for you as a writer - you write the fics I’ve been scouring the internet to read, not even joking - I’m going to kind of dissect this a little bit. I’ve never written Tony myself, so it’s interesting to get the writer’s perspective, when my experience as a reader has often been quite different. Though this list is your own interpretation, I’m going to kind of expand these concepts outwards to cover the collective sort of Tony that fandom creates, in fics all over the place. I write in the spirit of discussion, so I hope it comes across that way, not intentionally controversial or mean, but I’ll understand if you don’t want to engage or respond.
Regarding #1; I can see how writing Tony’s dialogue (monologues?) could be immensely fun. He talks a lot and he’s not choosy about what he says, so as a writer that’s an enormous load off. I think what I end up missing, though, is…however verbal Tony is, he’s really twice as visual. This gets overlooked to the point of exclusion in nearly any fic I’ve seen him feature in, with the exception possibly of close Tony POV, where his thoughts rather than his actions serve to offset his dialogue.
Tony runs his mouth and says absolutely nothing. A lot of times this verbal diarrhea takes over the entire scene, with no nuance in terms of his nervous energy, his body language, or the way he uses language as a blind or an offensively defensive maneuver to shut people down. The scene becomes entirely about whatever outrageous thing Tony has said or will say next: the other characters become sounding boards or props with no meaningful input and often no meaningful - or very limited - character or plot development. I think maybe Tony gets dangerously fun to write, to the point that it becomes the Tony Show (of which he would no doubt wholeheartedly approve) at the expense of the actual story being told.
Regarding #2: no argument here. What I do like about reading Tony is that the writers do let loose a little bit which frees them up creatively, and that’s always fun to see.
#3: Hmmm…this one - I mean, you’re right, he just has to come up with some snappy quip and it’s scene wrap, and it works and that’s great, but there’s something more pervasive about this tendency with Tony. Part of why I find him so frustrating on paper is the way this translates into a Tony ex Machina.
When it’s just a matter of wrapping up a dialogue driven scene, it can work, but when it comes to “cutting through the tension,” — that’s why I’m reading. I’m here for the tension, the tension is the story, and so often in fic I feel like we’re just getting to the good part, and Tony swoops in, wraps it up no muss no fuss. We all want to give our characters a break sometimes and let something finally be easy, but a lot of the time it’s not actually what’s right for the story, timing-wise, tension-wise, structurally. It’s like setting up a room-size spiral of dominoes, the first one’s just about to tumble, and the Tony swoops in and snatches it up mid-fall. Or worse, snatches the fifth one mid-fall so you get a taste of the thrill, and Tony’s like “aren’t you glad I saved all those other dominoes from falling?” and I’m like, “No, Tony. I’m not.”
I mean, I know that you’re talking about simpler scenes with less payoff at stake, but fic-Tony just does this all over the place. He acts like everything is easy, he talks like everything is easy, so I think sometimes writers internalize this sense that everything actually is easy, when, when you look at Tony, it’s not. Nothing he does is easy. It takes unholy levels of concentration and skill. But because he’s so verbally glib, we almost never get the intensity in the character that RDJ conveys onscreen. Tony cutting the tension is a slippery slope that I think a lot of writers have difficulty navigating.
As for 4, again no argument, and when he’s well written Tony’s tinkering is interesting and can be used counterpoint to whatever crap is spewing out of his mouth. It’s not always used this way, so it’s frustrating when 800 words of narrative is “Tony spouted a bunch of crap and did something meaningless with wires for no reason.” I say this because I see how easy and fun it can be, and I would never begrudge a fanfic writer that freedom, but from a structural perspective it is flawed, and doesn’t always serve the story properly.
Sometimes banter and tinkering is the whole story, and what’s not being said or what’s half being said or being shown through the tinkering is the heart of it. Tony gets so flamboyant sometimes that he runs away with the scene and leaves the heart behind.
And #5 - in a cave with a box of scraps is the reason we all fell in love with him in the first place, and I’m behind this one hundred percent.
Anyway, your post came at a time when I had been thinking a lot about Tony, so if anything I’m glad for the opportunity and prompt to organize what has been rattling around in my head the last few days. Out of the Dead Land is the most enjoyable read I’ve had in a long time and I’m a big fan of your work! And um… longwinded, contrary ramblings is how I show my love…? (Historically, this is true.)
ahahaha yes well my post was not meant as… entirely serious… Tony writing advice. I mean I still stand by all of it but I also agree with most of what you’ve said.
The trouble with Tony is that he’s so much fun to write that it’s easy to let it fool you into thinking the story is about him (‘isn’t everything?’) and then you are probably going to run into difficulties. Tony always thinks it’s his story. Hell, from Tony’s POV OotDL is a beautiful touching narrative about the time that Tony Stark befriended Captain America’s sidekick, saved the day with his best superweapon ever, and grew as a person. But I cut 11k of crap from the Avengers Tower episode of that fic, and most of it was me having too much fun writing Tony’s dialogue. It meant losing some good lines and some of my favourite jokes, but they weren’t relevant. You have to be strict with yourself.
"There’s no time for romance. We’ve got shit to avenge!"